The 3 Pillars vs BARF

by Jim McBean on January 29, 2010 · View Comments

The world’s two most noted raw feeding contributors are Australian veterinary surgeons Doctors Tom Lonsdale and Ian Billinghurst. The latter is credited for coining the B.A.R.F. acronym which, depending on who you ask, stands for either Biologically Appropriate Raw Food or Bones and Raw Food.

Both of these guys have published books, Lonsdale with Work Wonders: Feed Your Dog Raw Meaty Bones and Billinghurst with Barf Diet for Cats and Dogs.

Raw According to Tom

Dr. Lonsdale who advocates a raw meaty bones “prey model” style diet, indicates the following three points as the pillars of his RMB diet;

Cornerstone 1:

Carnivores need the chemical ingredients (nutrients) in broadly the same quantity, quality and frequency as is found in the prey of free living carnivores. (For instance the progenitors of Dogs – Wolves, Cats – Wildcats, Ferrets – Polecats.)

Cornerstone 2:

Carnivores need the physical texture of their food to closely match that of their free living carnivore progenitors. The simple reason being that it’s the physical form of the food that governs the quantity, quality and frequency of teeth cleaning and the correct regulation of passage of foodstuffs down the intestinal tract.

Cornerstone 3:

Carnivores, be they domestic or captive wild carnivores, need to be freed from the corrupt and disgraceful yoke of the junk pet- food/veterinary/fake animal welfare alliance.

Different Strokes for Different Blokes

Although Lonsdale and Billinghurst both advocate feeding raw food diets and denounce the big commercial pet food companies, they both take quite different stances on how to go about it. This is where things can get confusing.

Lonsdale asserts that dogs are carnivores which they are (“Dogs are gray wolves, despite their diversity in size and proportion” (Wayne, 1993)), and that they need very little carbohydrate if any at all, while Billinghurst calls dogs omnivores.

B.A.R.F. Includes a Liberal Amount of Veggies

Dr. Billinghurst has been quoted saying;

“Fruit and vegetables are an essential part of a dog’s diet. An essential part, not an optional part. Meat is optional, fruit and vegetables are not.” (Canine Nutrition—A Point of View 1988).

This statement is quite contradictory to what wildlife research biologist David Mech says in relation to what wolves eat;

“Wolves usually tear into the body cavity of large prey and…consume the larger internal organs, such as lungs, heart, and liver. The large rumen is usually punctured during removal and its contents spilled. The vegetation in the intestinal tract is of no interest to the wolves, but the stomach lining and intestinal wall are consumed, and their contents further strewn about the kill site.” David Mech – Wolves: behavior, ecology, and conservation

Sidenote: Gray Wolves and domestic dogs both belong to the same genus (Canis Lupus), both are of the Order Carnivora and their DNA varies by at most 0.2% – Wayne, R.K. Molecular Evolution of the Dog Family.

One BIG difference in the two approaches to raw feeding is that Dr.B is approaching things from a commercial point of view, he’s got B.A.R.F to sell!

“This approach to commercialising Evolutionary Nutrition has been attempted on a number of occasions but has never succeeded on a large scale because of the cost of production and practical difficulties involving storage and distribution and problems associated with enticing dogs (or cats) to eat all of the day’s prescribed components.”  – From the FAQ section on Dr. Billinghurst’s website.

I would agree with him that emulating a “Lonsdale style” raw meaty bones diet commercially, could be difficult if you were a company trying to do that. For the Billinghurst B.A.R.F. diet, ground meats with cheaper vegetation added would seem like the way to go. I believe he does recommend RMBs in addition to his diet to address the periodontal issue, but you’ll pay more for pre-packaged raw than you would if you shopped at your local butcher or watched for sales at the supermarket or farmers market. Or you could do a little of both, which is what I do.

If you’re already feeding raw or you are considering it, would you choose the “prey model” approach or the B.A.R.F. approach?

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  • I prefer the BARF approach. I used to feed primarily meat with a little kibble in her treat ball in the afternoon for a snack. She had diarrhea most of the time. I read up a little on the BARF method and noticed that veggies are on the list. By adding the veggies, her problem of loose stools went away. I don't believe that dogs are total carnivores.
  • Hi Karen.

    If a raw diet consists of too much meat and not enough bone, loose stool will occur. This could be what you experienced.

    Robert
  • Or conversely, not enough bone will cause loose stool. Adding sufficient amounts of bone to their diet will completely eliminate loose stool.
  • Sounds like any raw alternative is likely to be better than kibble. Dee and Edie - can't imagine the time and effort you devote to your dogs' diets and diabetes care. It is both good and bad that your pets get treated better than many children do. So far, we've been really happy with the dehydrated food from The Honest Kitchen. Interestingly, Ty (allergic to exercise, has hypothyroidism, and was overweight) has lost the weight our vet wanted him to lose. We have a vet appointment coming up soon, and we are looking forward to getting the results of his blood panels - hoping we can reduce his thyroid medication. On the other hand, Buster has packed on a few pounds and is filling out quite nicely. We've caught both dogs doing muscle man poses in the mirror a few times! And both dogs have nice looking coats and clean teeth. The only thing we still want to do is work in some RMBs.
  • Sorry to post and run; it's been a day of tech hell. Thanks for all your detailed -- and encouraging -- answers.

    Dee, since my dog is diabetic, I'm particularly interested in your experience. When you say Aki's blood sugar curve is flat, you don't mean that you lowered his insulin doses, do you, just that the amount you give him everyday remains constant?
  • I do a combination of the two - the raw frozen, pre-made ground meat, bones, organ and veggies for convenience but them give the raw meaty bones, like buffalo knuckles, or lamb necks a few times a week as well - for their teeth, etc.

    but honestly, either way is so much better than commercial dog food
  • I tend to stay away from knuckle bones and marrow bones as they can be teeth wreckers. I gave Zeus knuckle and marrow bones when I first adopted him, but then stopped after learning they could be hard on his teeth. I can actually see fracture lines on his teeth, although I don't know if they were caused by me giving him k & m bones, or perhaps from his previous owners giving him k &m bones. Better to be safer than sorry in this case, in my opinion.
  • Kathryn
    Jim - I haven't seen any evidence of that in either of my dogs. Maggie is 11 and our vet, not to mention other dog people, always comment on how great her teeth are!

    I don't give marrow bones, though - too hard
  • Edie, any whole, natural, unprocessed food will offer superior nutrition (and none of the harmful chemicals needed to preserve shelf-stable foods for up to a year at a time) to highly processed kibble. Yes, the super premium brands, especially the no-grain versions, are leagues above the quality offered by anything sold in a supermarket, but even they're processed. Freeze dried would be a nice alternative, but it's not the same thing as fresh, whole food.
  • Agreed!
  • I started feeding raw back in 2000, when my dog Aki was diagnosed with diabetes. At the time, I knew of no one else who had fed this way, and no vets who would even entertain the idea that this would not kill my dog. The only "formula" around at the time was Billinghurst's BARF. I followed it religiously for about 3 years. Spent hours each week sourcing the right veggies and fruit to grind, bought a commercial blender, spent more hours finding new ways to hide this concoction in something the dogs would actually eat. If I hadn't seen the amazing (and almost immediate) improvement in all 4 of my dog's coats, skin, eyes, and overall vigor, not to mention an almost flat blood sugar "curve" for Aki (an ideal medical situation that's almost unheard of with commercial dog food) I would have abandoned this endeavor much sooner.

    Around year 3 I joined a raw food co-op, where I began to learn of others who fed a "prey model" diet. Many of these folks were either breeders or dog-sports enthusiasts, so they were dealing with a number of dogs at a time. I decided to try it out for a month and see what happened. After all, I was testing my diabetic's blood sugar twice a day, so I would have a pretty good indication of how it was being metabolized. To my great surprise everything only got BETTER. The dogs were much happier, and I got several hours of my life back each week.

    In the 7 years since, I've never looked back.
  • Thanks for commenting Dee. =)

    I know that protein and fats in a human diabetic diet help to regulate blood sugar, so it makes sense to me that the same would be true for a diabetic dog, especially considering that they derive energy mainly from protein and fats and not carbohydrate.

    Does Aki still require exogenous insulin Dee?
  • EdieJ
    Oh dear, now I'm really confused! Both advocate raw meaty bones and Dr. Lonsdale would seem to suggest there's no benefit at all to the freeze-dried diet that I'm transitioning to, Stella & Chewy's, though Dr. Billingshurst would seem more amenable to it. I know there's no periodontal benefit without the bones but I assumed a raw diet had other benefits. Could you please clarify? Is it just that you know what you're getting with a raw diet more than you do with kibble, even the high-quality brands?

    P.S. I know
  • The raw diet definitley does have benefits on it's own, but to reap the periodontal benefits as well as firmer stool (to naturally express anal glands), bone needs to be added to the diet.

    You're on the right track Edie. =)
  • The pre-mades do allow a good benefit in that you are feeding as nature intended - raw - but pre-made....better for digestion as the enzymes in the food are not destroyed in cooking or at least altered. Plus you get the amino acids and vitamins in their purest form. The good thing you noticed on the Stella and Chewys is they added probiotics. That will help boost Frankie's immune system by adding good bacteria. And since that particular brand is free of pathogens it should work much better in your case over some other pre-mades. Some kibbles do better than others it seems at getting plaque off the teeth but don't do much for disturbing the bacteria below the gum, which is where the raw meaty bones, like chicken wings, provide a really good benefit.

    The NV and Stella and Chewy's helped us get started into the prey model of feeding that Lonsdale promotes. It was a transition for us since we just weren't quite sure about the whole "raw meaty bones" diet...but now we are sold.
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